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Episode 2100: Banning Lyon's remarkable memoir of trauma, healing and the outdoors

How to escape the Chair and discover the Valley

Back in August 2021, we did a show featuring the British psychologist Lucy Jones, about how nature maintains our sanity. Jones’ thesis is born out in the astonishing story of Banning Lyon, who was institutionalized in a Texan psychiatric hospital as a teenager and freed by his discovery of the outdoors. Lyon’s new memoir The Chair and the Valley is excellent - as, I hope, is this interview. In contrast with many other contemporary writers on trauma and healing, Banning tells his story in the kind of unsentimental, down-to-earth manner that will be inspiring to both environmentalists and psychologists.


Banning Lyon is backpacking guide, instructor, and public speaker. He currently lives in Martinez, CA, with his wife and daughter.


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